The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

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The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby milona » Apr 13, 2018 9:10 am

I know that it's a bit premature, as Narnia 7, if it is made, will probably not come about until 2018 at the earliest. However, as that film, if it is made, will be the most dramatic and probably the best of the series, I wanted to create a thread to talk about it. Here are some of my thoughts:

Warning: Spoilers below

1. I think that the film should, like Deathly Hallows and Breaking Dawn, be split into two parts. This seems to be a trend that is becoming more and more popular in the fantasy Genre (Even The Hobbit is being split), and I think it would make the film much stronger. The midpoint of the novel is the Battle of Cair Paravel, which I think should be portrayed in the film and would make a good split point.

2. The final battle at Stable Hill should be larger and more climatic than it is portrayed in the film, and I think that Archenland should be involved in the battle. They are mentioned in the novel, but their fate is never determined.

3. Finally, Susan's fate should be shown, along with more of the real world. The events in England have great dramatic impact; Susan has lost faith, three of her siblings died in a train wreck, along with her parents, cousin, and the Professor. I also think that the film should show Susan regaining belief in Narnia, or at least imply that she does.

Those are some of my thoughts about the conclusion to Narnia. What do you think?
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby LucytheValiant23 » May 31, 2018 7:28 pm

milona I agree with you 100% for the concept of the last battle. I defintely want Susan to return but i think at the end show she believes again and is reunited with her siblings.
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby Reepicheep775 » Jun 01, 2018 12:57 pm

LB will be a very difficult book to adapt, so I hesitate to say that it will be the best of the series. I will say that, if they manage to pull this off, and make it a good movie and a good adaptation, it will be a film to remember.

I don't like the idea of splitting LB into two simply because it's a fairly short book and I don't think there's enough material to stretch the soup.

I think I would be fine with expanding the battle. I've probably read LB the least of all of the Chronicles, but I remember the battle being pretty prominent in the book (unlike the battles in the other books). It's even named after the battle. If you're going to have a big epic battle in a Narnia movie, this is probably the one to do it in.

I would actually like a little something extra with Susan. I don't think I would want a full-blown redemption arc, just a hint to say that her story is not over. We know from letters that Lewis thought that there could still be hope for Susan and I would like to see evidence of that in the movie. Susan's rejection of Narnia was never one of my favourite parts of LB. I still remember feeling sick when I read it as a kid. It adds reality to the story for sure, but it also puts a damper on the happily ever after ending.
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby hermit » Aug 10, 2018 3:51 pm

The issue of Susan's fate could be a severe problem for a film of LB if it ever gets made; which I'm not too optimistic about at the moment.

In the run up to the film's release I see critics of Narnia like Pullman and Toynbee crawling out of the woodwork. The infamous 'lipstick and nylons and invitations' line will frequently quoted (and misquoted) and the usual unjust accusations of Lewis' 'toxic misogyny' and 'demonisation of female sexuality' will be made repeatedly.

Of course you could leave out that line altogether but that would be a bit of a cop out. I think there definitely needs to be more background to the lives of Susan and the Seven Friends in England, to give that scene with Tirian some context, and I'm wondering if you could approach that by drawing a contrast between Susan and Lucy. It would need subtle writing but you could have Lucy as an older teenager who is moderately interested in things like fashion and makeup and parties but worried by her sister's obsession with them, and who criticises Susan for her superficial view of adulthood.
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Aug 10, 2018 4:57 pm

LucytheValiant23 wrote:milona I agree with you 100% for the concept of the last battle. I defintely want Susan to return but i think at the end show she believes again and is reunited with her siblings.


Be careful, because the way Susan returns could lose the "it could be you" aspect of the Last Battle, which Philip Pullman also lost in his whole misinterpretation of that story. Some background would be useful, such as looking into the real life and times of the book and series, that is to say in World War II United Kingdom and the post war years. The point of the train accident as it happened in the book was that C.S.Lewis based that particular accident on a very real train accident which had lots of victims, so that it included, not only the Seven Friends of Narnia, but also Mr & Mrs Pevensie, who had caught that particular train because they wanted to go to Bristol. In C.S.Lewis' last chapter, Lucy, talking to Tumnus, realises that there was a good reason why she didn't see her parents at first - they had gone to the Heavenly England of their ideals. Just as you would hope all that those innocent victims killed in any major disaster or catastrophe would go to a better place.

There needn't be a long ending. Just a montage of other disasters, or a commemoration service with Laurence Binyon's Ode to the Fallen. Maybe a scene of Susan as a very old woman throwing a rose or three on the tracks where her siblings and parents died. Perhaps as she dies in her sleep, where she dreams of going through a door - to see her sister and brothers waiting for her, which is Noel Gaiman's idea in his short story based on The problem of Susan. The point of Susan not going to Heavenly Narnia, unlike what Pullman would have us believe, is not to condemn her at all. But because Susan is a sort of Everygirl, wanting to fulfil other hopes and dreams of girls of that era, which she anticipated when she grew up, she cannot die until it is the right time, when her life is done. I hope - and I believe that C.S Lewis also would agree with me - that Susan's life will be a well-spent life, where at some point she starts to remember "those funny games we used to play as children", and to understand what she might have learned from them when she was younger.

hermit wrote:In the run up to the film's release I see critics of Narnia like Pullman and Toynbee crawling out of the woodwork. The infamous 'lipstick and nylons and invitations' line will frequently quoted (and misquoted) and the usual unjust accusations of Lewis' 'toxic misogyny' and 'demonisation of female sexuality' will be made repeatedly.


At the rate we are going, I hate to say, it is getting more likely that Philip Pullman, himself, let alone Toynbee, would pass away well before The Last Battle is ever screened. With the advent of Netflix etc., it is becoming increasingly likely that cinemas and theatre-going, plus box office results, will become just as obsolete as Video rentals.
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby hermit » Aug 10, 2018 5:30 pm

waggawerewolf27 wrote:
LucytheValiant23 wrote:At the rate we are going, I hate to say, it is getting more likely that Philip Pullman, himself, let alone Toynbee, would pass away well before The Last Battle is ever screened. With the advent of Netflix etc., it is becoming increasingly likely that cinemas and theatre-going, plus box office results, will become just as obsolete as Video rentals.


I agree it's quite possible Pullman and Toynbee will not be around when LB is screened (if it ever is) but I'm sure there will be critics with similar views to take their place. As for cinemas being made obsolete by online services like Netflix, well we'll see. The death of cinema has been predicted before but it's still with us.
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Re: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Last Battle

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Aug 11, 2018 12:52 am

hermit wrote:....I'm sure there will be critics with similar views to take their place.


Oh I couldn't agree more. But meanwhile, there is the opposing view. If the opposing view isn't expressed, how is anyone to know there ever was an opposing view? That is important to myself, at any rate, since although we (including me, most definitely) haven't seen the last of the baby boomers, including Philip Pullman, himself, no baby boomer can say with confidence that they will live forever. A point that only Jadis, the White Witch, would argue with.
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