Tirian12 wrote:haha! thanks decarus, its just a very big problem, i find it very sad that many people won't read such fantastic books because it is supposed to be evil. please don't get me started one Twilight.
the kid i was talking about was about 11. and yes Trelawney is a fraud and i think Rowling is actually making fun of the actual spirit world through her.
Yes, an 11 year old child is of Secondary School age, as I thought. Old enough to go to Hogwarts, a boarding school. Thank you,
decarus, for your lovely photos, and I fear the Twilight reference was my fault, as I wanted to draw attention to the way relationships are treated in HBP.
What is wrong with Trelawney's prophecies is that she either does not realise she has made them, or that the prophecy, like the one about Wormtail, is a foregone conclusion, with events already unfolding so fast that even access to a time turner can't change them. Of course a servant of the Dark Lord, who is a prisoner, will break loose when and if he can, and the night of Buckbeak's execution would be a good time.
Or, at best, Trelawney's predictions only give part of the story. All too often, as with Lavender's bunny, when events do happen, that appear to be linked, people, having heard the prophecy, then try to make it fit what they already know has happened, just as Hermione pointed out, not unlike the media does with Nostradamus' prophecies every time there is a major disaster. And it is Trelawney's superstitious dealings with death omens like the Grim that get the most ridicule.
As
Gandalf's Beard so rightly points out, you don't have to be a seer to realise that a nervously clumsy butterfingers of a 13 year old boy will be the first to drop a cup and break it. And when Harry Potter, a mortal like everyone else, has been the subject of gossip for years, Trelawney's interest in making continual predictions about his forthcoming death might not be such a good demonstration of her prophetic skills as she likes to think. However, Trelawney's 'inner eye' is not so perceptive of the true nature of the 'Grim' she keeps seeing in POA, nor does she or anyone else knows what animals the Marauders had made of themselves, nor does she know the true identity of 'the servant of the Dark Lord'.
Dumbledore, in whose presence, Trelawney made the first and most crucial prophecy, makes the point repeatedly that it is our choices which make us what we are, that the prophecy would not have meant anything if it had not been partly overheard, and if the spy had not then gone to Voldemort. It was Voldemort's choice to believe the prophecy, or the half of it he heard, and act on it so murderously, which ensured the prophecy would indeed come true. Because he knows that Voldemort is hunting him down to destroy him, Harry does not need predictions in crystal balls, tealeaves and the rest to know that he is in deadly danger, or that he has no other option than to oppose Voldemort any way he can.
In other words, JK Rowling is reaffirming in HP what Galadriel says to Frodo in Lothlorien about what he sees happening in her mirror: Those prophecies may come true only if you turn aside to prevent them.
I'm not surprised that Harry and Ron both fail Divination. But why do the likes of Lavender and Parvati pass this subject well?
johobbit wrote:Kind of random: did anyone else think Ginny's character in HBP was ... flat, one-dimensional? I liked Bonnie Wright in the other films (especially the one where Harry saves her from Voldemort—the Tom Riddle's diary film), but in HBP she was so monotone and blank, or something. Nothing to her. That disappointed me.
Do I really need spoilers on my reply to say that a lot of the romantic interaction in HBP the book was left out of the film?
Not just Bob Ogden's memory of how Voldemort's parents got together, and the discussion of what was wrong with that relationship? And that as Ginny was a prime player in many of those events, as Harry became more and more aware of how he felt about her, it might have made her seem a bit flat as a film character.
As HBP the book opened, Ginny was romancing Dean Thomas, Harry's classmate, who was to fill in for the stricken Katie Bell on the Quidditch Team, which Harry was captaining. Although there was a hint of it in the film when Ginny helped Harry at tryouts, it was Ginny's deputising for Harry in the last match, not mentioned in the film, which finally brought them together, after the Dean Thomas affair had fizzled out.
Ginny's opinions about Fleur were also part of the problem when Mrs Weasley aired her valid concerns about the viability of Fleur's and Bill's forthcoming marriage, almost a key part of the book. Was Fleur the bridezilla Ginny made her out to be? Or was Fleur really the wife Mrs Weasley would love her Bill to have?
I thought it was a real shame that Fleur, with her defiantly loving comments in the Hospital wing weren't to be part of the film, or Ginny's and Mrs Weasley's final acceptance of Fleur.What about the Tonks/Remus Lupin romance, the nature of which Ginny misunderstood so spectacularly? Or the bickering between Ron and Ginny, over Ginny's right to romance whom she pleased, which brought to a head Ron's very shallow relationship with Lavender? Or the scents in Slughorn's love potion which made Harry first realise how he felt about Ginny?
On the other hand, over all the films, Bonny Wright's character, Ginny, doesn't get much space as more than a supporting extra, except in COS, where she is affected by Tom Riddle's diary and taken down into the Chamber of Secrets. In POA she barely appears at all, and in GOF, she is merely Neville Longbottom's date to the Yule Ball, and Ron's comforter when he tries to ask Fleur to the Yule Ball. In OotP, Ginny does play a larger part, as part of the DA, along with Neville and Luna. But at that point it is Cho who is Harry's love interest, and in the book OotP, it is Hermione who had advised Ginny to meet other blokes instead of moping after Harry, who hadn't noticed her at all.
Maybe it is hard to bring to prominence Ginny's true importance to the series in the HBP film? How will she be portrayed in DH, the film? I think it is a hard role for Bonnie Wright to play, by the way.
by TheGentleWarrior » Dec 04, 2009 10:59 am 
Xenophilius Lovegood looks..... interesting. 
Did anyone see the new Deathly Hallows sneak peek video that Mugglenet just leaked online??? 
avie/sig by me
). As far as Ginny is concerned, I don't think her blossoming relationship with Harry was given enough space in the book either though. So it wasn't too surprising that was given even less space in the film. The budding romance was sacrificed somewhat, but Ginny over-all got more screen-time than usual.
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