Rhince - Arthur Angel
Posted: Sep 23, 2009 9:32 am
I did think about posting the following rant in the Gael/MLG topic, as it does relate to the recent developments witnessed in the filming of those scenes, but i thought that since we haven't had a Rhince discussion since the first photos of him on set appeared (and since we moved to the new forum) we should probably do so.
First of all, here are two of the recent photos from the set, one in costume, one out of costume:
The key questions which perhaps arise from these photos are:
1. Why has it taken us so long to see a photo of Rhince? We've seen every other member of the crew numerous times during filming (both at Cleveland point, and at the Spit) and yet Arthur Angel did not appear until the last few days of filming at Cleveland Point? Maybe it was just sheer bad luck he didnt appear in earlier spy photos?
2. Why isn't Rhince in Uniform? He is First Mate of the Dawn Treader, surely he should have a costume that at least looks somewhere in-line with that of Drinian and the other crew members?
3. And lastly, how is he related to the characters of "Gael" and "Gael's Mum"? (though any discussion directly related to them should go in the other thread)
Obviously we don't want to be jumping to any rash conclusions too soon, but it does seem they have done something quite odd with the character of Rhince, and so i have to ask - is he is even a crew member at all? I am all for expanding upon characters, and giving them added backstory, but at the end of the day, Rhince HAS to be the ship's First Mate. The fact that he is the First Mate is the only defining characteristic of Rhince in the book, so if they don't even get that part right, then quite frankly, is he even Rhince anymore?
It reminds me somewhat of the Glozelle/Sopespian situation. Before PC came out we heard rumors that they may had switched it so that it was now Sopespian and not Glozelle who killed Miraz in the movie. At the time i was quite certain that it couldn't possibly be the case, as, likewise, the only defining characteristic of Glozelle in the book is that he is the one who kills Miraz (whilst Sopespian is the one who gets his head cut off).
In the end, neither of those two things happened. The fact that it was Lord Gregory who got his head cut off instead was fair enough - they probably wanted at least one of the major villains alive for the river god sequence - but why the change with Sopespian killing Miraz instead? Why not simply switch the character names round instead?
Which brings me back to Rhince - if it so turns out that the character Arthur Angel is playing is not going to be the First Mate, but rather is someone they pick up on the Lone Islands or wherever, then why call him Rhince? Why not let one of the extra's have the name of Rhince and give Arthur Angels character a brand new name?
Hopefully thats all just paranoid worrying, and they won't have done anything so bafflingly stupid with Rhince, despite how it appears. On a more positive note, for his appearence and general look of the character, i have to say he looks pretty good. Earlier photos of the actor in other movies perhaps suggested he didnt look as big or imposing as a first mate ought to, but i think he looks rather quite good.
First of all, here are two of the recent photos from the set, one in costume, one out of costume:
The key questions which perhaps arise from these photos are:
1. Why has it taken us so long to see a photo of Rhince? We've seen every other member of the crew numerous times during filming (both at Cleveland point, and at the Spit) and yet Arthur Angel did not appear until the last few days of filming at Cleveland Point? Maybe it was just sheer bad luck he didnt appear in earlier spy photos?
2. Why isn't Rhince in Uniform? He is First Mate of the Dawn Treader, surely he should have a costume that at least looks somewhere in-line with that of Drinian and the other crew members?
3. And lastly, how is he related to the characters of "Gael" and "Gael's Mum"? (though any discussion directly related to them should go in the other thread)
Obviously we don't want to be jumping to any rash conclusions too soon, but it does seem they have done something quite odd with the character of Rhince, and so i have to ask - is he is even a crew member at all? I am all for expanding upon characters, and giving them added backstory, but at the end of the day, Rhince HAS to be the ship's First Mate. The fact that he is the First Mate is the only defining characteristic of Rhince in the book, so if they don't even get that part right, then quite frankly, is he even Rhince anymore?
It reminds me somewhat of the Glozelle/Sopespian situation. Before PC came out we heard rumors that they may had switched it so that it was now Sopespian and not Glozelle who killed Miraz in the movie. At the time i was quite certain that it couldn't possibly be the case, as, likewise, the only defining characteristic of Glozelle in the book is that he is the one who kills Miraz (whilst Sopespian is the one who gets his head cut off).
In the end, neither of those two things happened. The fact that it was Lord Gregory who got his head cut off instead was fair enough - they probably wanted at least one of the major villains alive for the river god sequence - but why the change with Sopespian killing Miraz instead? Why not simply switch the character names round instead?
Which brings me back to Rhince - if it so turns out that the character Arthur Angel is playing is not going to be the First Mate, but rather is someone they pick up on the Lone Islands or wherever, then why call him Rhince? Why not let one of the extra's have the name of Rhince and give Arthur Angels character a brand new name?
Hopefully thats all just paranoid worrying, and they won't have done anything so bafflingly stupid with Rhince, despite how it appears. On a more positive note, for his appearence and general look of the character, i have to say he looks pretty good. Earlier photos of the actor in other movies perhaps suggested he didnt look as big or imposing as a first mate ought to, but i think he looks rather quite good.