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Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby CorazonBandido55 » Feb 28, 2011 5:19 pm

This has been coming up so often in various threads that I just feel that I need to put in my thoughts on this.

I noticed that so many people think that this is an issue, especially with Magician's Nephew most likely being the next movie. The common concern here seems to be:

* If Magician's Nephew is filmed before Silver Chair, then Will Poulter will age to the point where he will look too old and will need to be recast for Silver Chair.

This shouldn't be an issue, if you think about it. Because regardless of whether Magicians Nephew or Silver Chair is filmed first, well its all said and done Last Battle WILL be filmed last. So Will Poulter will be the same age by 2018-ish anyways. If anything, it makes sense to film Magicians Nephew first to evenly age him throughout the remaining movies. Will Poulter was 16 when VDT was filmed.
So if Silver Chair were to be the next movie, then Will Poulter will be 18 when its filmed. But then what? There will be two movie where he will not appear and then when he reappears in the Last Battle, he will be 24. This is a huge age gap between movie appearances!
So if Silver Chair becomes the next movie AFTER Magicians Nephew, then Will Poulter will be 20 in that movie. And of course he will still be 24 when Last Battle rolls around. This is more gradual aging and a better way to film him, in my opinion. So lets look at what we have:


VDT - Will is 16
MN - no Eustace
SC - Will is 20
HHB - no Eustace
LB - Will is 24

OR.........

VDT - Will is 16
SC - Will is 18
MN - no Eustace
HHB - no Eustace
LB - Will is 24

Now, I realize that some of you will say that its been several years between Silver Chair and Last Battle, but most moviegoers won't know that and all they will see is a younger Will in Silver Chair and then a dramatically older Will in Last Battle. This won't look right. Besides - if we go two complete movies without Will Poulter, then moviegoers will likely forget about him. So we need to see him appear on a more frequent basis.. say, every other movie.
Another thing to keep in mind is that William Moseley was in his 20's when he played Peter in Prince Caspian, and he looked just fine.. not old at all.

So in other words, the real issue is the fact that Will Poulter would have been absent for an extended period of time, not so much the aging issue.

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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Shastafan » Feb 28, 2011 5:33 pm

Thank you, CorazonBandido55, for I agree with everything you're saying. William Moseley was way older than Peter in PC, but I don't think that ever became an issue among us. Ben Barnes was way into his 20's when he was in PC, and wasn't he nearly 30 around VDT? Will Poulter is 18 now, but I doubt we'll end up feeling like he's that much older than Eustace should be.

I don't think they would ever consider replacing Will, either. It makes no sense to me for anyone of the movie makers to think of that. Will is a great actor, and I think it would be nearly impossible to find someone who could out do him. Pretty much everyone wants him back, so I can't imagine he'll ever be replaced for now.

Do I think we have a right to worry about this? Yes, a little bit, because Will is a great actor who can play Eustace perfectly. But I think we shouldn't overeact about this yet until we get actual news of what happens to Will. And as far as I know, he wants to come back for SC, so I hope he won't lose that desire if he has to wait a few more years. I can't wait to see you again, Will, no matter how much you've changed! ;)
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Lady Galadriel » Feb 28, 2011 5:35 pm

I don't disagree at all! :D This is nearly exactly what I'd been thinking of it. Besides, there's the contradiction in LB and in the time-line as to when it occurs -- according to the time-line, it is seven years between SC and LB, but in the book, Eustace says that he and Jill were last in Narnia "over a year ago by our time." This had always given me the impression that it was a year-and-a-half or something like that. ;))

I don't see the problem in having an older Eustace in SC than there should be -- it just means that VDT was longer ago than a few months.

I would have an issue if Will Poulter was recast. :-o

Edit: I was writing my post when you posted, Shastafan. :)
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby puddleglum32 » Feb 28, 2011 5:37 pm

Why would you have an issue if will poulter were to recast?
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Lady Galadriel » Feb 28, 2011 5:41 pm

First, it would not be good at all for continuity with VDT, and second, he did such a good job as Eustace that I really wouldn't want to see him replaced. :)
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby puddleglum32 » Feb 28, 2011 5:44 pm

I agree with you. thank you for explaining. :D :D
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Anhun » Feb 28, 2011 6:19 pm

Okay, there are really three different subjects here:

1. Will Poulters' aging from here on out: In my opinion this is a non-issue. Guys really don't age that much between 18 and 20. I know the guys I knew freshman year of college didn't look any different when we got to Junior year. If he's young enough to be in SC now, he'll still be young enough two years down the road. Since it won't make a difference in his appearance in SC, it shouldn't make a significant difference in his aging between SC and LB. If 20 to 24 is a reasonable gap, then 18 to 24 should be just as reasonable. Basically, for purposes of keeping Will, it doesn't matter whether SC is next or the one after.

2. Eustace (the character) dropping completely out of the movie-goers' consciousness between films: Now, this is an important point, and I hadn't thought of it until bandido brought it up. Nevertheless, there are other ways of dealing with it besides putting SC in the middle . . . :ymdevil: [Anhun concocts a wicked scheme to throw Eustace into random movies] . . . I have already mentioned that, if MN comes next (in spite of what EtJ says, that report doesn't actually confirm MN as Narnia 4, it only says it's more likely) the Professor should narrate the events to wide-eyed Lucy and Eustace. I think, if MN comes after SC, he can do the same, or they could add Jill to the mix. Either way, we only have to go one movie without Eustace.

3. Is Will P already too old to play Eustace in SC?: Yes and no. :-? I think he's already to old to play the decidedly pre-adolescent Eustace described in the book. However, with some key changes to Eustace's dialog and dynamics, they could turn the character into a teenager, which Will P would be able to play. They'd have to be very clever about it though.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Valiant » Feb 28, 2011 6:22 pm

If they do end up making SC after MN I want to see Poulter as Eustace. It would have to be the last option to drop him not only because he was fantastic in VDT but I cringe at the idea of changing actors for continuity's sake. Like you have all said William Moseley and Ben Barnes were far older than the characters they were portraying. I think the make up and costume they use can make him look young enough as well. So although the age issue of Will Poluter has me prefering if they did SC now, I am sure it can be managed if the put it off a few years. ;)
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Reepicheep775 » Feb 28, 2011 6:57 pm

I am very torn on this issue and I haven't decided which is the lesser of two 'evils':

1. Recasting Eustace. :(

or

2. Having a too-old Eustace. :(

Just to re-state, the reason I think a too-old Eustace is a problem because a) the Experiment House sequence will have to be re-imagined as something other than the nightmare elementary school and b) the film-makers will most likely justify Jillstace as a "natural occurance".
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Aravis Narnia » Feb 28, 2011 8:20 pm

Experiment House can be a K-12 school easily. And bullying happens at all ages and stages. So that can still be possible for it to work while Eustace and Jill are in senior high school.

I am more concerned with the storyline continuity breaking if they showed MN before SC.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Trufflehunter » Feb 28, 2011 8:43 pm

I may be incorrct in saying this, but I think the problem does not necessarily lie with Narniawebbers worrying that Will will look to old, but it's more that we are concerned that Walden won't share the same views, and will feel the need to replace him. just a thought.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby stateofgreen » Feb 28, 2011 9:32 pm

Anhun wrote:
2. Eustace (the character) dropping completely out of the movie-goers' consciousness between films: Now, this is an important point, and I hadn't thought of it until bandido brought it up. Nevertheless, there are other ways of dealing with it besides putting SC in the middle . . . :ymdevil: [Anhun concocts a wicked scheme to throw Eustace into random movies] . . . I have already mentioned that, if MN comes next (in spite of what EtJ says, that report doesn't actually confirm MN as Narnia 4, it only says it's more likely) the Professor should narrate the events to wide-eyed Lucy and Eustace. I think, if MN comes after SC, he can do the same, or they could add Jill to the mix. Either way, we only have to go one movie without Eustace....

So Will Poulter and Georgie can do a "White Witch" and reappear in movies where they shouldn't? That's brilliant! :D That would probably tide me over for SC if they did MN first and Will and Georgie showed up in a prologue/epilogue type of scene (maybe tide me over....).

Also agree with Trufflehunter--us all worrying about what Walden and Fox actually think should be done with Will. I vaguely remember reading or seeing an interview somewhere with Mark Johnson being quoted as saying do we make Magician's Nephew (or was it HHB?) next and allow our Eustace to age? (My memory actually recalls reading the gist of that somewhere...I'll have to see if I can find that interview...).

Another thing also is all of the pre-production they do before filming and scriptwriting. Since this franchise has the reputation of taking so long to do things and having interruptions (not solely their fault)....who's to say that's not going to happen again and they won't take eons to release another movie? :-w Maybe I'm being pessimistic. :-??

Edited to add: I found the Examiner.com interview with Mark Johnson.
Link: http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-q-a-i ... wn-treader

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Which book do you think fans want to see more as the fourth "Narnia" movie: "The Silver Chair" or "The Magician’s Nephew"?

Johnson: That’s a really good question. I couldn’t tell you. We should put it to the fans [to decide]. I know we have to do "The Magician’s Nephew." I love that book! The question is: "Do we do it now and let our Eustace grow older? Or do we do ‘The Silver Chair’ and then do ‘The Magician’s Nephew’?"
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby starkat » Mar 01, 2011 5:04 am

They did set up a reasonable reason for an age gap in VDT if you think about it. Edmund and Lucy were told they were staying with their aunt and uncle for several more months if I remember right and at the end of the movie, didn't it say something about them staying until the end of the war or at least quite a bit of time (I've forgotten the exact amount of time)? So they could use that as the reasoning behind an older than the book Eustace in SC. It would also cover the aging just a bit. Not saying it's perfect reasoning, but it would at least offer a bit of a cover.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby Reepicheep775 » Mar 01, 2011 9:51 am

Aravis Narnia wrote:Experiment House can be a K-12 school easily. And bullying happens at all ages and stages. So that can still be possible for it to work while Eustace and Jill are in senior high school.

I am more concerned with the storyline continuity breaking if they showed MN before SC.


Experiment House might work as a K-12 school like you suggested and I actually think it would be for the best if Will Poulter could return somehow without ramifications.

However! If that was the case Experiment House would have to be re-imagined. It's true that bullying happens with every age group, but I can't see the type of bullying described in the book working with high school-aged kids (being chased). The re-imagination could be good but it could also be bad and it makes me nervous
because the film-makers could mess up Lewis' ingenious descriptions of the school.

Basically I'm right in the middle. I wouldn't rejoice either way, because either way makes me nervous. We'll see.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby stateofgreen » Mar 01, 2011 1:34 pm

We talked the reimagining for an older Eustace and Jill in SC pretty much to death in the "Your Thoughts About SC the Movie" thread.
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Having them as high schoolers would work. But it's still really preferable to me that they do SC next.
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Re: Will Poulter's aging issue (or lack of)

Postby CharlotteRose » Mar 01, 2011 3:06 pm

Anhun, That is a great idea (Mini chuckle at 16-19 yearolds looking 'wide eyed' :) )

But I'm really worried about this. I know that on here we can think of all these ideas and plans and they'll all work, but seriously...google search Will Poulter guys :( I saw pics from his new film and he is not a child anymore. I want him back in SC and I want SC next... otherwise I do think that aging will be a problem. AlsoI coulsn't stand the idea of him being re cast, he was just amazing as Eustace and indeed in everything else he has been in...Re casting would be a MAHOOSIVE mistake!

And the idea of a high school is a deffinate. It was never really going to be a primary school. the only film with primary aged kids in it previously was LWW and then only Georfie Henley was of that age. But i agree, the bullying and chasing would have to be re thought.

In my opinion, we should just assume that Eustace was older than he looked in VDT and forget about aging, that goes for the casting of Jill too... they should match ages, so Jill would have to be 16-18 as well, if MN came next.
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