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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby AslansChild » Sep 23, 2012 7:58 pm

I have to say, from a LOTR film fans perspective, and not a true "ringer", the trailer looked very very good. I liked that it explained a lot more of the whole concept of the movie:

"The dwarves are determined to reclaim there homeland."


Uh...........yup. That seems to sum it up for me. Except they forgot to mention Smaug, he's pretty important too. ;)

It was nice to see Hobbiton again, and Bilbo's narrative about visitors was funny. Although I had a very large problem during the whole of the trailer: I kept hearing and seeing John Watson. Even though he's in makeup and has a wig, I can still see it. So, that's a little frustrating and distracting, but... %-( x_x

I liked it alot that Thorin actually says "...so this is The Hobbit." It seemed very - final, like: It's really here! It's COMING!

And I liked watching Bilbo's line about going on an adventure, but it seemed a bit - fake. Almost, like he didn't really want to go on an adventure.

Seeing Rivendell again was very very cool, and seeing Elrond again made my day, no idea why though, it just seemed more connected to LOTR and the fellowship. His line was capital, and it was very nice because I remember hearing Hugo practice that in one of the vlogs. Although, in that particular scene ("So this is your purpose...") I came to the realization of something...Thorin is short! :-o

I've no idea why, but these past few months, I've had the distinct impression that Thorin was man sized, it wasn't really registering that he's a dwarf. So when I saw him next to Elrond, he looked...childlike, off, and can I be honest? He looked silly. :-$ His body proportions seemed to run a little too big. :p

Like I said, I've know clue where I got my man height impression, but in the first trailer when we see

"The leader of our group: Thorin Okeanshield"


sitting atop his horse, I was picturing a man on a noble steed, not a dwarf on a Shetland pony. :p

Radagast was neat, and the hedgehogs were really cute. Do we actually know from the book what the thing is that's attacking his home?

And then there's Gollum. The thing that nobody really likes, but wants to see anyway. :p I was very pleased that they included what they did, I know everyone's been talking about the "Riddles in the Dark", so it was nice to see. As for the creep himself, :p , he looked, healthier, if that's at all possible. His eyes were more blue, while the whites of his eyes were very - red. Animation speaking, he looked very good, very detailed, even down to his eyelashes and the little fuzz on his slightly pointed ears. ;) But when you look at him and then compare him to Bilbo, Gollum looks - shiny. His skin looks shiny, while Bilbo looks gritty and noising, there was a lot of stuff on his cheeks and nose and forehead, while Gollum's was slick and smooth looking. Only complaint to that was that they should have toned down on the noise on Bilbo. I liked Gollums little face and shrug he gives after he delivers the options, I never liked him, but that little gesture made me laugh. And Freeman's dry answer and straight face were great. :-bd

All the quick shots were good, they showed a lot of the action that will be in the film. Overall, my main joy about the trailer was that it portrayed the film less as "a little hobbit bouncing around in a Rankin Bass, G rated B film." and more into the film that so many of you have been looking for for the past 10 years (at least) with the director and actor the majority of you wanted to see.

So, yeah, sorry about the length, didn't realize I had rambled so long, I'll shut up now. ymwhisle
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Gymfan15 » Sep 23, 2012 8:42 pm

So, did anyone see our first glimpse of Tauriel?

http://io9.com/5945621/hobbit-action-fi ... at-tauriel

Great, an elf that I can cosplay without having to change my hair! ;) Red heads for the win. ;) I like it; very wood-elf-y. And should I take note in the fact that the Tauriel and Legolas action figures are being sold in the same pack? ;))
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Arwenel » Sep 24, 2012 12:56 am

Semi-thoughts on the Hobbit trailer (disclaimer: it's late [or early, depending on your perspective], it's been a while since i've seen it, and this is more about people's reactions to the trailer than the trailer itself):

I read The Hobbit before seeing any movies, but i couldn't get into LOTR proper until after i saw the first movie. Undoubtedly, that has affected my perception of both Jackson's movies and the books.

Frankly, i'm not sure that either LOTR or The Hobbit are "adaptable"; and i don't just mean that modern audiences wouldn't accept certain elements, or that we don't have the technology to film things. I not certain that a fully accurate film version of either would make a good movie. The film version of The Fellowship of the Ring was an excellent movie, whatever you might have to say about it as an adaption, and it's the reason i got into the rest of LOTR to begin with, so as long as The Hobbit is a good film adaption, i'm willing to accept it - with a few caveats.

There were things that PJ and co. changed that i didn't like (Faramir, the Ents, Frodo sending Sam away, etc.); yet, they had (in my opinion) the best possible reasons for each of these changes. I still didn't like that it had been changed, but i understood why they did it. There are almost certainly going to be changes in The Hobbit that i won't like. At this point, however, i'm willing to take it on faith that a) nothing absolutely crucial is going to be changed, and b) the reasons they have for these changes will be good ones.

All this to say, nothing in that trailer really undermines my expectations. Actually, i'm not sure i'm seeing this as The Hobbit exactly - but if it's a good prequel to the LOTR movies, then i'm okay with that. I totally understand that this is not the same for everyone, and some people are legitimately bugged by one thing or another, this is just where i stand on this.
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Sep 24, 2012 1:03 am

Faramir's change I can live with, but Frodo sending Sam away and Aragorn falling off a 'cliff' are unforgivable. What was wrong with the Ents though?
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Arwenel » Sep 24, 2012 1:05 am

Warrior 4 Jesus, the book-Ents were a lot less unwilling to join in the battle against Saruman. Personally, i found it a slightly grating attempt to introduce more drama.
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby AslansChild » Oct 11, 2012 2:44 pm

Well, it's been a bit since anyone's posted here, but I just wanted to drop this off for opinions.

A few months back, TOR.net posted a fan video called, "Lord of the Rings in 99 seconds."



Well, someone suggested I set the song to the films. So I did.

http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/20/ ... xgolo.mp4/

After listening to the song countless during the process, it grows on you. :p

Any thoughts, good or bad are welcome. :)
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby 7chronicles » Oct 14, 2012 8:14 pm

Well me and my sister Broke the Bank on Hobbit collectables from WETA workshop. It was all worth it! I only hope I can save enough up for the Orcrist replica before it's released. :p
Weta e-mailed me mentioning they have more stuff on the way and mentioned that they were finishing up some wizards staffs. ;)

Also has everyone else seen the new awesome pictures of Thranduil, Legolas and Elrond? I love them!

Legolas:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/v3/me ... 117116.JPG

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http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/v3/me ... kfair9.JPG
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby daughter of the King » Oct 16, 2012 8:32 pm

Five new stills! http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=95960
Could be slightly spoilerish.

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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Meltintalle » Oct 27, 2012 11:00 am

Movie Aristotle wrote: Nor did anything [Gandalf] said seem out of place from my perspective based on my readings of The Hobbit.


movie!Gandalf wrote:He gives me hope.
+ angsty scene dressing -- I object more to the idea of the scene than the actual words.
book!Gandalf wrote:Very amusing for me, very profitable for you...


The way I look at it, you can arrive at such a statement by playing word association: amusing--> cheer up on a bad day--> one bright spot in a dark world. The question is, was it as bad as all that? Really? They hadn't even found the Ring yet, nor would they know what/where it was for umpteen years. I would have thought things would still be not so shabby, especially if they're finally about to kick the Necromancer out of Mirkwood.
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby johobbit » Nov 01, 2012 8:47 am

Something I am almost anticipating even more than the movie—the soundtrack \:D/, and, without a doubt, I will be purchasing the Special Edition. :D
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby narnialuver » Nov 01, 2012 2:20 pm

Here's an awesome Hobbit Flight Safety Video from Air New Zealand:

http://youtu.be/cBlRbrB_Gnc


New Zealand if definitely taking advantage of The Hobbit
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Lady Galadriel » Nov 08, 2012 9:08 pm

A few thoughts about different parts in this thread...

Hmm...in the scene with Galadriel, Gandalf does seem a little bit too careworn, compared to how I recall him in the book. Although other than the part with Galadriel where he says that Bilbo gives him hope, I have liked pretty much all of the other shots that we've seen him in so far. I think it is in one of the most recent TV spots where we see him riding along with Bilbo, and he says that the Dwarves didn't think that Bilbo would show up. Bilbo asks, "What did you think?" And Gandalf says, "My dear fellow, I never doubted you for a second." At the same time as he says that, if I understand correctly, I think Gandalf is pocketing the money he won from his wager with the dwarves on whether Bilbo would show up. ;))

Still, due to the back-story that the filmmakers have added, I wouldn't be surprised if Gandalf ends up appearing to be more worried and careworn than he was in the book. However, I hope that he is his more mischievous self with the Dwarves for a good deal of the time. I'm pretty sure that we don't ever see Gandalf really despair until the Return of the King.

johobbit, I am very much looking forward to the soundtrack too. :D
When I look at TheOneRing, there are threads appearing that announce things like 60-second previews of the soundtrack. I am doing my best to avoid hearing most of them because I want to be surprised. I think the soundtrack somewhat gives away the plot. Sometimes a lull in the music will signify a quiet spot in a scene, and if I know that the music gets loud and scary after that, I know that something bad is going to happen. ;) I'd rather not know too much of what's going to happen before it happens (other than what's in the book and what's supposed to happen). :D

I did fall to the temptation of listening to "Radagast the Brown," though. While I don't understand what is going on with him at all in the movie, I definitely liked the music!

I have seen that Hobbit Flight Safety Video, and I really wasn't sure what to think. ;;) I would have to say that my favorite spot is Peter Jackson's cameo/s. I knew he was going to appear, but I was expecting him to be disguised! Although I think he might be disguised as the dwarf sitting right next to the Witch-king...

Speaking of the Witch-king, when I first saw him, I thought it was Sauron, but now I think it's the Witch-king. I can never remember how to tell their two helmets apart, for some reason! :( :P

Warrior 4 Jesus, I'm not sure what you mean by saying that you can live with Faramir's change, but Frodo sending Sam away and Aragorn falling off a cliff are unforgivable. It seems to me that on a scale of the book being changed, that Faramir's change would be worse than Aragorn falling off the cliff. :-\ Faramir's character was changed, but Aragorn's fall was just an added element to the battle for more tension. (Not that I like Aragorn falling off the cliff. It just seems to me that no matter what the characters think, he's too important a character to actually die--especially so abruptly.)

narnialuver, is that an actual shot from the movie in your signature? :-\ The Dwarves almost look like the ones in the movie, but the background looks like it's from a painting.
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Varnafinde » Nov 08, 2012 9:32 pm

Lady Galadriel wrote:I have seen that Hobbit Flight Safety Video, and I really wasn't sure what to think. ;;) I would have to say that my favorite spot is Peter Jackson's cameo/s. I knew he was going to appear, but I was expecting him to be disguised! Although I think he might be disguised as the dwarf sitting right next to the Witch-king...

Speaking of the Witch-king, when I first saw him, I thought it was Sauron, but now I think it's the Witch-king. I can never remember how to tell their two helmets apart, for some reason! :( :P


There was definitely someone there wearing the same helmet as the Witch-king used in his fight with Eowyn later on.

I liked that safety video very much :p
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Nov 08, 2012 10:04 pm

Lady Galadriel, Faramir's change of character in the movie is very different to the book, yes, but it's well-written and better developed than Aargorn's fall off the cliff, which was just embarrassingly bad. I'm not sure why I've never had a problem with Faramir being changed for the movie. I read the book many years before the movies were released. I guess I just thought it was unrealistic that Faramir (a Man) could resist the temptation of the ring, when even Gandalf had struggles in that area. Maybe Tolkien was trying to say something with Faramir being a Christ-figure (I don't know) but it just makes the ring's influence seem fairly tame for a time and that's a death sentence for a good story. Hope that makes sense. I feel PJ and his writers thought similarly to myself.
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby The Old Maid » Nov 11, 2012 12:45 pm

Regarding the Ring' pull on almost everyone except Book-Faramir ...

Several actors, Andy Serkis in particular, have compared the Ring's pull to the rush of dangerous drugs, in particular how it only takes one exposure to get addicted.

Tolkien spoke of Frodo failing to toss the Ring into the volcano by his own strength as resulting from overwhelming "demonic" influence, Sauron being after all an evil spirit.

I think a third comparison would be to radiation exposure, even more so when we look at the films. Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond, and Aragron try to keep their distance from that Thing that Frodo carries. The more they spend with it, the weirder they get (to use a technical term). Boromir comes from a land where there's very little magic in daily life, and he repeatedly questions why this little Ring-thing is so dangerous. But the more exposure he has, the more it poisons him. In the films he even carries Frodo twice and (in the extended edition) is the only person who will sit with Frodo when the company is initially refused admittance into Lothlorien. Whatever mechanism the Ring uses to snare its victims -- addiction, oppression, or radiation; I prefer to think it's all three, as Sauron's a natural-born cheater -- Boromir succumbs quickly because he gets heavy exposure.

Book-Faramir has only two days of exposure to the Ring, much of it not continuous, and so escapes relatively intact. Film-Faramir inexplicably thinks keeping the Ring is a good idea, and so soaks up four or more days (I think) of whatever natural or supernatural poisons this thing exudes. He also is bitten by plot bunnies that multiply from the mutilation of his father Denethor's character in that Faramir does several outstandingly dumb things in a childish attempt to impress a cartoon villain.

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However I'll admit that there may be more to it than that. Neither book-Saruman nor film-Denethor ever laid eyes on the Ruling Ring, yet it destroyed both of them. (In the book, it is the crystal ball, the palantir, that destroys Denethor ... and the fact that he told Pippin that "the Enemy has found it [the Ring]" because Denethor knew Frodo had been captured. And in the film, Saruman never displays his true colors of being in this only for himself. Film-Saruman is very loyal to Sauron.)

As for the Aragorn-off-the-cliff scene, I never liked it, but for bigger reasons than just that it wasn't in the book. Firstly, it rewards plot padding which, we've noted, is clearly going to affect The Hobbit. Secondly, the actor almost died filming this invented and unnecessary scene. Thirdly, I felt obligated to try to like the scene because the poor actor almost died filming it, and that left me feeling annoyed and guilty at the same time. Fourthly, the other actors teased Sean Astin for being such a Lucy Van Pelt-styled fussbudget regarding safety. He felt that Wellywood's movie industry was not as experienced as Hollywood in terms of safety and so was constantly inspecting things that supposedly were not his area of concern. But would it have been so inconvenient for people to have listened? Come on, your actor almost died! Please be more careful. [/steps off soapbox]
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Re: The Road Goes Ever On and On: Everything Tolkien - Book 2

Postby johobbit » Nov 21, 2012 5:01 am

So much to comment on—so little time—but I am popping on now to pass on something wonderful that Aravanna kindly linked me to: The Piano Guys' cover of some of The Lord of the Rings's musical themes by Shore. ♥

Copying and pasting the majority of my comment here:

Oh glory and splendour (as Samwise says)! And, as always, the video itself is very well done, with the scenery aptly representing the different parts of the tale. Thank you, Howard Shore; thank you, The Piano Guys. Thank you, *TOLKIEN*!

*listens carefully to the themes represented, reveling in the contrast beauty of each motif*

~the Shire moving into the Fellowship
~Arwen/the Elves
~Reclamation and the Ents, notably
~Rohan
~Isengard
~the Shire/Hobbits ♥
~a Fellowship re-statement
~Minas Tirith/Gondor

And I love that this is their most requested cover!

Also, for fun, and quite the contrast to the above, take a look at what the Ringwraiths were up to prior to Weathertop/Amon Sûl. :))
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