Re: Ramandu cut?
Posted: Oct 30, 2010 12:51 pm
^^ yeah, me too! maybe he'll come out after Lilliandil greets them.....?
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1. Ramandu is in the book. The burden of proof is on the people who believe that Ramandu has been cut from the movie. So far we know that everyone else from the book is also in the movie. They could have combined Ramandu & Liliandil, but then again, they also could have combined Pug & Gumpas, but didn’t. There really isn’t a good reason to believe that Ramandu has been cut from the film, except for the fact that we haven’t spotted him in the trailers and he isn’t listed on IMDB. But we haven’t seen Alberta in the trailers, nor is she on IMDB, yet we know that she will be in the film.
2. I don’t see a practical reason for them cutting out a beloved character from the best loved novel in the Narnia series.
3. I can’t think of a reason why they’d want to hide the fact that they’d cut Ramandu from the movie. Right now the production isn’t telling us whether he’ll be in the film or not. If he is in the film, I can think of several reasons why they’d want to keep him under wraps. On the other hand, I can think of no reason to hide it if he will not appear in the film.
4. If Ramandu is cut, then they’d have to explain why Liliandil is living alone on an island. Hermitesses are a bit uncommon. Why would she be living there or, if she isn’t living there, why does she only appear to the Dawn Treader crew on that island? If she is not there taking care of her aged father, then they have a bit of explaining to do.
5. Liliandil introduces herself as the “Daughter of Ramandu,” which begs the question: “Who is Ramandu?” Certainly Ramandu himself will need to appear onscreen to answer that question, (though not necessarily in human form).
6. The production (including the website) has named the island where they meet Liliandil “Ramandu’s Island,” which begs the question, “Who is Ramandu?” Certainly Ramandu himself will need to appear onscreen to answer that question, or else people will need to be pointed to the books. It is true that “Dragon Isle” also appears on Narnia.com, even though it is not in the film, and there is no guarantee that the words “Ramandu’s Island” will ever be uttered onscreen, but they might have renamed the island for the website like they did with the Island of the Duffers (Magician’s Island) and Deathwater (they decided to stick with the rejected name of Goldwater). The fact that they didn’t rename Ramandu’s Island is significant.
8. The passage mentioned in #7 not only refers to Ramandu, it describes him DOING something. Why would you mention a person doing something on the website if he is not also going to do it in the film? Ramandu evidently is not passive in this fight to save Narnia. He is a guard or watchmen. He watches
9. How would they do a wedding without him? According to a recent quote from Apted, he finds two things that happen between VDT and SC to be very important: The Lady of the Green Kirtle builds an underground army, and Liliandil and Caspian get married. We know that Apted wanted to add something(s) from this time period into the movie version of VDT. It is therefore quite possible that the wedding of Liliandil to Caspian will be featured in the film. If Ramandu does not come to the wedding (or at least give his consent to the marriage) then what does this say about Liliandil? Does she elope?
10. I can think of one very good reason for why the studio is keeping quiet about Ramandu. He might be a big name actor.
aragorn2 wrote:Well the reason we think he is cut because there is no casting on him and if Lilliandu is a star he is totally unneeded.
Movie Aristotle wrote:2. I don’t see a practical reason for them cutting out a beloved character from the best loved novel in the Narnia series.
Well they have time constraints and Lilliandu is taking his place in the movie(That is how all the trailers and spoilers seem to be pointing).
Movie Aristotle wrote:3. I can’t think of a reason why they’d want to hide the fact that they’d cut Ramandu from the movie. Right now the production isn’t telling us whether he’ll be in the film or not. If he is in the film, I can think of several reasons why they’d want to keep him under wraps. On the other hand, I can think of no reason to hide it if he will not appear in the film.
the question is why they would tell us, there is going to be a lot of stuff from the book that won't be in the movie that they are not telling us.
Lilliandu is not living alone on the island, she is a star and comes down to greet them
Movie Aristotle wrote:5. Liliandil introduces herself as the “Daughter of Ramandu,” which begs the question: “Who is Ramandu?” Certainly Ramandu himself will need to appear onscreen to answer that question, (though not necessarily in human form).
Does that happen in the movie? and if so she could just point him out in the sky or something like that.
Who says it will be named in the movie? If he isn't in the movie then they would just call it what it was in the books so the fans would know what it was.
Lilliandu can say that she was sent by him.
They might not even show the wedding...
...and if they do, this is the 21st century, who asks their father's permission to marry any more.
Besides it will probably end like the others right after the Pevensies get home.
Movie Aristotle wrote:10. I can think of one very good reason for why the studio is keeping quiet about Ramandu. He might be a big name actor.
That would be the only reason I would think he was still in the movie, like if Doug Gresham played him. But if he was a big name actor they would probably want to publicize it.
I am not saying he won't be in the movie I am just pointing out that most of the evidence is pointing that way.
...and if they do, this is the 21st century, who asks their father's permission to marry any more./:) Seriously? Like, just about everybody. Meeting the parents is a very, VERY important part of any engagement. Marrying somebody against your parents' will can lead to devastating relational consequences.
Movie Aristotle wrote:I mean, come on. Is it likely that Liliandil is going to pack up, get married and move halfway across the world without consulting her father first? She has to at least mention it to him. What else is she going to do? Leave a note on the fridge? "Dear Dad, I love you very much, but a King washed up on the Island while you were gone and I decided to marry him. I know this is sudden, but he's leaving for the other end of the world and I had to accept quickly. I know we'll never see each other again, so I wanted to leave you a note to say thanks for bringing me up right. I'll remember you every time I look into the night sky. Love, Lili."
Malfhok wrote:But Ramandu is mentioned on the now-live Ramandu's Island section of the VDT Web site!
Near the edge of the world, Old Ramandu watches. How long has he been observing the events of this world, and exactly how far does his gaze extend?
Does this mean he's in the movie?