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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby Liberty Hoffman » Jan 27, 2011 3:26 pm

I guess it's because I still can't believe there won't be any Pevensies in SC :P

I do hope they have cameos! :D :D
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby edmundrox12 » Feb 03, 2011 9:15 am

i definately want to see them in the sc. even if it's only a little bit like peter and susan in votdt. i'm really going to miss edmund. skandar is a great actor and edmund is a deep character. i would be verry happy if he showed up even a tiny bit in sc.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby puddleglum32 » Feb 28, 2011 7:13 pm

yes, but hopefully skandar will be in the LB with all the other cast.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby puddleglum32 » Mar 05, 2011 6:11 pm

Yes his acting was very different.especially at deathwater island.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby Edmund_The_Just » Mar 14, 2011 12:02 pm

I had no problems with Skandar's performance at all. Quite the opposite: I think he did a great job even though he was given quite cheesy material. To be honest, I even liked the Deathwater scene. Ok, I could have done without the "second fiddle"-quote, but apart from that I liked to see Edmund explode. I think he's so much more likely to get involved in a fight than Peter is (at least in the book).
It seems unfavourable to me that there was this Peter-Caspian conflict in PC because the tension between Edmund and Caspian in VDT lost so much power as a consequence. I didn't like that Lucy ended the conflict instead of Aslan and I can't really see why they did it this way. It would have been nice (and much more powerful) to hear Aslan's voice at least instead of having Lucy telling them that they were tempted.

I did enjoy the relationship between Eustace and Edmund (especially during the bedroom scene and later on the Lone Islands, where Edmund tells Eustace to "guard something" :D).

I also think the Edmund-Lucy relationship was handled pretty well. It does make sense that Edmund is protective about Lucy since Peter isn't there. In additon, his character has changed so much since LWW, where he behaves converse.

What really annoyed me was the whole "white witch temptation"-thing. It's not Skandar's performance, it's just the badly written script. It doesn't seem right for his character development at all. It's rather a step backwards than a development. In my opinion the worst scene for Edmund's character development is during the sea serpent battle when he is standing on the mast. I hated that he didn't turn away from the white witch before his sword starts glowing. So, you don't really know if Edmund would have been strong enough to resist (he WAS in PC, why isn't he in VDT?).

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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby De_De » Mar 17, 2011 11:03 am

I agree with you that Skander did wonderful in VDT, espesially in tthe Deathwater scene. I also think that the whole White Witch thingy was extra (but then who doesn't). But Skander handled it pretty well! Go Skander :D
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby SleepingDragon » Apr 21, 2011 12:54 pm

It might be a bit to early to talk about this but it's something to ponder for the future. For those of you who don't know they are rebooting the Batman franchise after The Dark Knight Rises. No details have been reported yet since it will be years for it's released but it's possible that Robin will appear in the new films. Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking?

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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby eustacegirl » Apr 26, 2011 9:34 am

I hope Sc gets made next. I love SKandar in the witch scenes in VDT.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby cherish » May 03, 2011 9:44 am

I love Skandar too, he's so cute :ymblushing:
At the beginning I didn't like the character, little Edmund but when he was rescued and after he talked with Aslan and his brothers, I started to like because I realized he wasn't that bad as I thought at the first time. I loved his act in the second and third movie. He was awsome :X
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby eustacegirl » May 07, 2011 8:35 am

Edmund was very protective in Lucy. Even when he was falling into temptation of wealth he thought of Lucy. It was funny though him saying he and Lucy would be so rich. What would theydo? Edmund cna't just have him and Lucy live together without the rest of their family lol
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby RavingNarniacAnarane » May 30, 2011 2:32 pm

I must say, Skandar did a perfect job of Edmund in LWW and PC. But VoDT, I'm still iffy on it. I've seen Dawn Treader 8 times, to really get a sense of the movie, cast and new plot they added. But what on earth were the writer's thinking, giving Edmund...such childish lines?
I mean Edmund is supposed to be quite mature by now but the conflict between Eustace and Edmund didn't seem "real" to me. Seriously, the line in the very beginning "I found them under your bed, and you know what? I licked EVERY one of them!" Is very un-Edmund like.

Skandar I'm sure couldn't help the fact he had to act out some of these questionable areas, but to make his character arch go backwards? I wonder if he even brought it up to the writers.

Also in the film, they seemed to make Edmund Captain Obvious. Like pointing out the names were crossed out in the slave book on the Lone Islands, or "Oh look there's his sword" kind of thing.
I love Edmund's character don't get me wrong, but the Edmund in Dawn Treader was more like someone trying really hard to "act" like Edmund.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby 220chrisTian » Jun 01, 2011 12:40 pm

@RavingNarniacAnarane: welcome to the forum! :ymhug:

Interesting ideas on Skandar's character in VDT. I kinda agree. Edmund seemed to degenerate spiritually/morally in this film, rather than progress. Yet I loved what this reviewer on Teen Ink had to say about Ed and Lucy's progressing relationship in the VDT movie. :)

One character that changes the most throughout the film, as in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, is Edmund.

But unlike in the first film when he changed from his selfish ways, in this film you see how all of Edmund's actions, both for the good and for the bad, revolve around his sister and finding a better life for the two of them. After years of being handed off to one family member or another, or sent to boarding school, or being left behind while Peter and Susan are off on their own, Edmund realizes that he and Lucy are also on their own. He realizes that, even though he has always loved Lucy as his sister, the one who made all the decisions and who was the one both sisters would go to with problems or for comfort when they were scared was Peter.

But now that Peter is no longer there during a time when Lucy undergoes the many changes between childhood and womanhood, Edmund must take on his new role of being her older brother. As the film goes on, Edmund realizes that Lucy is growing up, but she is still his little sister and he sees that he is the one that she goes to for comfort or encouragement. He is her constant.

I love this change. It's a transition which many must make, nonetheless Edmund. It takes him most of the film to become comfortable with this new position. But throughout, you see his transition and how his character changes from focusing on only what would be helpful for himself and he suddenly begins focusing on what would help him and his little sister have a better, more comfortable life, whether these actions had good or bad consequences. He realizes how much they really must rely on each other since Peter and Susan won't always be there for them and for the first time, they are on their own and only have to rely on each other.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby Evelyn » Jun 03, 2011 11:15 am

I just watched LWW last night, and it had been while since I had seen it last. Boy, was it awesome! Skandar was Edmund! And in PC he was great, too, though he hardly had any lines at all. But in VDT, I was dissappointed with Edmund in general- not really with Skandar. He had some really cheesy lines. And his charactor was much different than in the other two films.

Take Deathwater for example: if you go back and read that scene in the book, it is Caspian who wants to be rich, and he tells all of the people present to not tell anyone about the pool of water. Edmund only gets upset when Caspian makes himself out as greater than Edmund. Edmund's problems are with personal power, not greed (that's more like Eustace). But, in the movie, they portray Edmund as being greedy and wanting to be rich, where really, he wants power, and doesn't want Caspian to tell him what to do. I like what someone said (I don't remember who) about how Edmund had gotten over the selfishness and the want for power in LWW. I agree with that.

So really, I don't think they did a good job with his charactor arch at all. He had a lot of silly, out of place lines (like "Squirt! I'm a king!" Totally copying Peter from PC). Skandar's stunts, of course, were great. I think we all expected that from him after PC. But the producers obviously didn't take the time to think about Edmund's charactor- they picked something easy that didn't really fit, but that you could verbally explain rather than show and then gave Skandar some slopy material.
I think Edmund was fine, but I would have liked to see more. And Skandar was good, but he could have done better.
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby cipher » Jun 10, 2011 12:23 pm

I liked Edmund in all of the movies. Yes I was a little bothered with his selfishness in VDT, as mentioned earlier, I thought he was through with that kind of attitude. But I liked him overall in VDT. And hohoho, let's not forget about his alter ego, Albert.A Scrubb! :D
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby Liberty Hoffman » Jun 16, 2011 12:27 pm

^^ that's it! his selfish side in VotDT was his alter ego "Albert A Scrubb" =))

but, I honestly wasn't bothered by Edmund's bit of selfishness. I mean, it's only natural for humans to fall back into their old ways. I know I do all the time :P
even Eustace would fall back from time to time. but, as the book says, "The cure had begun" :D
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Re: Edmund - Skandar Keynes

Postby Shastafan » Jun 20, 2011 11:57 am

I wouldn't quite say that's true. Maybe his selfish behavior in VDT would've been more liked and believable to me if:

1. He hadn' been so mature in PC and in the VDT book. In PC, for most the time, he acted older than the pirdeful Peter, and in VDT book, he had his flaws, but they fit with his maturity. In the movie, it's like he stepped back, and acted like he was more immature.

2. He hadn't already got over the WW in PC. It wasn't Peter or Caspian who destroyed the witch and weren't tempted by her, it was Edmund. It was a great way for him to say, "I'm done with you, WW, and I'll never fall for you ever again." He was saying that he'd never go back to his old ways, and the WW no longer had a hold. But what happened in VDT? She gave him a hard time, when he should've never been tempted or scared of her.

3. Peter hadn't gone through the same issue. Edmund obviously saw how ridiculous his older brother was being throughout PC movie, and would've tried not to fall into the same prideful attitude. In VDT book, only once did he show pride, and it was very short-lived. Now, it feels like the movie makers said, "I know! Let's have Edmund go through the same thing almost like Peter did!" It may not be completely the same, but it felt the same.

4. This character arch was well worked on. I didn't really get what changed when he all of a sudden changed his mind about being stuck with his relatives while the rest of his family was in America. Why did he get so sad for Eustace's "death" when he hadn't shown any underlying care for his rotten cousin before? Where did the comment of not liking to be the "second fiddle" come from? None of this make any real sense. It was never actually explained for me to understand.

5. The way it was portrayed worked correctly. In Goldwater, Ed's evil looks and "We'll be rich" replies just didn't have a realistic feel. Whether it was Skandar's fault of the script's fault, I'll never know, but I couldn't imagine this happening in a well done movie, even in a magic world.

6. The character plot had been in the book. Don't ask me when I became such a purist ( :p ), but if they had to add a character plot for him, I wanted it too work with the themes of the book. Once they threw out the best plot and replaced it with the dreadful GM and S7 plot, they gave Edmund a plot that really didn't fit in if put in the book. I could live with Peter's added in plot in PC because I eventually able to see Christian meanings in it, and it may have not been C. S. Lewis's choice, but it worked. But Ed's plot didn't was more humanistic, and besides the "don't be tempted" lesson, I didn't learn anything great from it.

Whew, that was long! Sorry if I insulted anyone, but these are my feelings for Ed's plot in VDT. But that does not mean you shouldn't like it yourself. Besides, it's not all bad. ;)
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