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Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby The Rose-Tree Dryad » Aug 10, 2017 2:21 pm

In NarniaWeb's recent interview on the Talking Beasts podcast, screenwriter David Magee discussed the process of developing the script for SC. At around the 2:30 mark, Magee said that there are relationship questions that don't actually get answered in the book, and that these were explored in subsequent drafts of the script after the initial treatment that followed the book exactly. Any ideas of what he might be talking about?

1. One thought that comes to mind is that we never find out what Rilian's mother was trying to tell him as she lay dying, or why she might have had knowledge about the LotGK that every other Narnian did not.

2. Another possibility is the fact that Puddleglum talks about how the other wiggles have told him to take a more serious look on life and that the journey to the north is sure to do just that, but we never see the reaction of Puddleglum's grim brethren after his return to Narnia.
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby fantasia_kitty » Aug 10, 2017 2:33 pm

In regards to your second point, I've been wondering if they'll play up the bullying aspect with Puddleglum as well. It's clear the other Marshwiggles feel he doesn't fit in.
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby narnia fan 7 » Aug 10, 2017 4:22 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if they expanded on the relationship between Rilian and Lotgk. We aren't given a whole lot of details about their relationship in the book, so there's probably a few unanswered questions there.
The Rose-Tree Dryad wrote:1. One thought that comes to mind is that we never find out what Rilian's mother was trying to tell him as she lay dying, or why she might have had knowledge about the LotGK that every other Narnian did not.
Personally I've always thought the queen was simply trying to say goodbye to Rilian, and found it kind of heartbreaking when she dies before saying anything. I've never really been a fan of the idea that the queen somehow know about the Lotgk. The book does leave what her messege was open to the reader, so it's not impossible that she did. But I kind of hope they don't go in that direction for the movie.
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Aug 10, 2017 10:26 pm

There are several other relationship issues which do need clarification as well, not only what Caspian's Queen was trying to tell her son. (Beware unknown ladies dressed in green?)

1.One is why LOTGK in guise of a snake wanted to kill an innocently sleeping Queen. I'll have to get back to the reading group again, as I've forgotten who it was who suggested that LOTGK might have been snooping around as a woman in Caspian's court before the fatal picnic. It is quite a good idea, since we don't need to see her closely if the film adopts that sort of approach.

I can imagine the sort of role she might play within the palace. Maybe the sort of person the rest of the court see every now and then, and not ever where she is supposed to be? The sort of person that eventually if someone notices who she is, would probably want her to get the sack for dereliction of duty and who therefore might incur her wrath? Perhaps it was LOTGK's unseen hand which slips the Queen a sleeping draught at the picnic, leaving the Queen drowsy and vulnerable to later attack. Or maybe it just was the Queen disturbing LOTGK taking a bath in one of the fountains at their picnic ground, thus annoying her sufficiently to change into a snake form. B-)

2. That Talking Stag. How did it get to Harfang? And for that matter, what happened to all the other disappearing Narnian champions?

3. If Caspian didn't kill Lord Drinian, how did Drinian die, many years previous to Jill and Eustace's arrival? Or do we really need to see that?

4. Were Caspian and Rilian on good terms when Rilian went off into the woodwork? Or were they both too lost in their own grief to help each other? That occurs to me because of Rilian's temptation at the opening of the Bism chasm. A certain rivalry there, methinks.

At the beginning of the SC BBC audio drama, LOTGK calls on whatever powers there be, by all fears, loves and terrors etc to enable her to fulfil her aims. But what are they, and why? Then the tapes start, with Eustace discussing his dread of going back to Experiment House with Lucy and Edmund. And then Lucy starts wondering what is happening in Narnia. Thus we see Caspian arriving back to Narnia, making Ramandu's daughter his Queen, and then Trumpkin and Drinian discussing a forthcoming "happy event". After Baby Rilian is cheerfully born and reared, the tapes then go into the story of how the Queen was killed and the ensuing heartbreak, including Rilian's disappearance.

Eustace then goes back to school, meets Jill, and then they escape to Narnia. Jill meets Aslan, gets mission and directions and then at the Owls' Parliament they both are filled in on anything else that needs to be covered. They meet Puddleglum and set off, but the Ettinsmoor giants are left out of that production entirely. They cross rugged country to the giant's bridge, and a stone of that bridge is dislodged. And then we go into what happens into the rest of the story. What does FoTF do with SC, I wonder?
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby Anfinwen » Aug 11, 2017 7:06 am

I definitely agree with your points, especially Rillian's mother. There could be an interesting explanation why she needed to be killed. Perhaps it was because a mother's careful oversight would make it harder to get at the prince, and her death would throw the whole castle into chaos. But I think Drinian would have died from natural causes as he was an experienced captain while Caspian was just a boy.
FotF starts the drama with the witch seducing Rillian to come with her with the accompaniment of her mandolin. Rillian doesn't speak, so it is a bit of an evil monologue ending with an evil laugh that she has the prince in her power. Cue the theme music and introduction. Then the story starts with Eustace and Jill at school. Everything is pretty normal after that. Less well known English expressions are dropped, and Eustace and Jill call each other by their first names. The prince's voice is revealed during the flashback that happens during the Owl's tale.
I'm going to put her speech here because I rather like it. It wouldn't work for a movie though.
"My dear Prince, my poor spellbound prince, today is the day I take you to your true kingdom, away from this world of distant dreams and fantasies. Today you will join me in my world, where I will care for you, nurture you, prepare you for your true destiny. You'll fear for nothing; you'll want for nothing, for you will hear only what I tell you and act only as I decree! It's all for the best, my precious and valiant knight, for our future together where I will reign... that is to say, WE will reign victorious! Now come, my prince, come! (evil laugh)"
You can listen to the whole thing on youtube, but the audio quality is not the best, probably due to copyright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3XTAtxdBqQ
If you've not heard it, this is a great way to whet you appetite for the movie.
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Aug 11, 2017 2:56 pm

Thanks, Anwinwe. :ymhug: I've got the whole lot, but in CD format, and at the moment the tapes of BBC audio dramas is all I can play without disturbing others in the house too much. ;) I'm trying to do a comparison between the two as well as the BBC TV version of SC.

I like Fantasia_Kitty's idea about Puddleglum. The Marshwiggles seem to be rather dour and pessimistic people altogether, and think that Puddleglum is a bit too full of "bobbance and bounce". However, I noticed at the end that there was a Marshwiggle or two mooring the King's ship at Cair Paravel, and think that perhaps, like the Dwarfs, in particular, the Marshwiggles do a lot of the manual work to keep Narnia ticking along nicely. Especially along the waterfront and coastline.

Puddleglum may or may not be bullied by the others, as Fantasia says. But I think he also might have been the only Marshwiggle that was currently available to go on any expedition anywhere, due to the others having work commitments already. The other Marshwiggles might very well not approve of a relatively unoccupied Puddleglum, and want him to get some proper occupation or other to look "respeckabiggle".
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Re: Unanswered Relationship Questions in SC?

Postby Anfinwen » Aug 12, 2017 7:30 am

waggawerewolf27 wrote:I've got the whole lot, but in CD format, and at the moment the tapes of BBC audio dramas is all I can play without disturbing others in the house too much.

Aww, that's not fun. I hope you're able to listen soon!

I've been wondering if Puddleglum might not be younger than he has been depicted in the past. It would make sense that old and steady marshwiggles would criticize a young and "flighty" Puddleglum. I wonder if even his habit of putting the best face he can on things is considered "high spirits."

waggawerewolf27 wrote:The other Marshwiggles might very well not approve of a relatively unoccupied Puddleglum, and want him to get some proper occupation or other to look "respeckabiggle".

I can see it now, the rebellious young Puddleglum who is lazy and spends his time fishing, smoking, and making eel pie. =))
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