Wondering.....

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Wondering.....

Postby Liberty Hoffman » Apr 13, 2018 7:02 am

Hello, everyone :)
It's been a good 3 years since I've been on here and the main reason for that is that I was getting shouted down every time I said anything at all positive about the Dawn Treader film. I am expecting to get shouted down again, but I'm used to it by now.
I'm not here to create strife or anything, but I am honestly wondering why there's now so much dislike for the first 3 Narnia films? I mean, the Dawn Treader stuff was bad enough, but why are LWW and PC getting pulled apart? I've been on narniaweb since 2008 and back in those days everyone agreed to at least love LWW and PC. Now the movies that brought us together have made narniaweb a cold place to be.
I want us to get back to that awesome place where we were all happy and talking about our favorite scenes and things like that. I miss that. Narniaweb has been a part of me for a very long time, mostly during my coming-of-age years and so I still have an affection for it.
Please, can we all just enjoy the Narnia films again? Nothing's happened with SC yet, so please can we stop calling the Narnia films "The original trilogy"?
Please.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby Impending Doom » Apr 13, 2018 1:34 pm

I enjoy all the Narnia films - to varying degrees - but in a lot of ways, I've just moved on from them. I'll still watch them but I have little time to really debate or discuss them. I mean, 8-13 years is a long time to talk about the same films without any new insight. I think you're just seeing a shift in attitude rather than a dislike for Walden's films.

Narniaweb is in a lull right now w/ the lack of news. But trust me, when SC is released, those Narnia films will be a hot topic for discussion once again. We'll all see them in a new light with a different perspective and that passion will return.

For now, I'm looking ahead and dreaming about what the future could hold for Narnia films. I hope you'll stick around to bring in that future with us.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby narnia fan 7 » Apr 13, 2018 1:50 pm

Liberty Hoffman wrote:I'm not here to create strife or anything, but I am honestly wondering why there's now so much dislike for the first 3 Narnia films? I mean, the Dawn Treader stuff was bad enough, but why are LWW and PC getting pulled apart? I've been on narniaweb since 2008 and back in those days everyone agreed to at least love LWW and PC. Now the movies that brought us together have made narniaweb a cold place to be.

Because none of the films are perfect and there are things people dislike about them. It's always been that way, this isn't anything new.

Being critical of the films isn't a bad thing. You can still enjoy a film while recognizing it was some problems. There are things I dislike about LWW and PC, both as films and adaptations. But I overall still like them.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby coracle » Apr 13, 2018 2:55 pm

Liberty,we have always had a culture of respect and positive approach, and our rules were based on what began naturally in our first few months.

When you say LWW and PC are getting pulled apart, I'm sorry if it feels like that. Perhaps we are being more vigorous in our reviewing of aspects of the films, which of course will always be based on our love of the Books.
And we also have more places for discussion than we once did, including Facebook pages, the Podcast and its feedback areas.

You have been a member for a long time, and you remember the excitement of waiting for the new movie to be released.
In the last three years, we have moved slowly from hope to knowledge of a script being finished, to announcement of a company and a director.

This is so much slower than in for the first two movies, and we want to be supportive and effective in raising interest and enthusiasm for the new movie. But what can we do? Going back over old discussions, or looking at different aspects of the films, and asking different questions?

As we look back on the first two films, which we mostly loved, we have the value of distance and further experience in film watching. Some of us have seen excellent stage adaptations of some of the Narnia stories, and we are less satisfied with a production that loses the value of the books in favour of a typical Hollywood style. (Susan and Caspian? Lucy learns to be herself instead of wanting to be Susan -she didn't want That in the book).

Welcome back, Liberty, and I look forward to seeing your comments and ideas in discussions.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby Liberty Hoffman » Apr 13, 2018 3:38 pm

I appreciate everyone's response, but I still feel that there's negativity, not from everyone, but from some.
That aside, would it be okay, then, to actually talk about how much I love Dawn Treader as a film? I used to, but got much negativity. I can't believe ya'll don't remember how people were posting here on narniaweb that they were telling their friends and family NOT to see Dawn Treader. Of course we don't have any news about another film, not much anyway, because when the response to the previous film isn't good, then you normally don't get a sequel!
And given the information we've heard, nothing's really happening with SC as a film. They haven't even started pre-production, they have no cast, and nothing's happening. The script means nothing because Hollywood has scripts all the time, but it doesn't mean they automatically get made into a film.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby Impending Doom » Apr 13, 2018 8:03 pm

Liberty Hoffman wrote:I appreciate everyone's response, but I still feel that there's negativity, not from everyone, but from some. That aside, would it be okay, then, to actually talk about how much I love Dawn Treader as a film?


Please, go ahead and start a new thread. No one has to speak positively about the film they don't like though. What would you rather have? An honest community that features "some" posters who don't like a film that you enjoyed or one that unanimously loves everything? This is coming from a fan who liked VDT.

And given the information we've heard, nothing's really happening with SC as a film. They haven't even started pre-production, they have no cast, and nothing's happening. The script means nothing because Hollywood has scripts all the time, but it doesn't mean they automatically get made into a film.


Nothing is really happening? They are well into pre-production at this point w/ storyboards being developed since November. Director openly said that activity will increase in July of this year aiming to begin filming in December in New Zealand. Stay positive, right?
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Apr 15, 2018 4:33 pm

Impending Doom wrote:Nothing is really happening? They are well into pre-production at this point w/ storyboards being developed since November. Director openly said that activity will increase in July of this year aiming to begin filming in December in New Zealand. Stay positive, right?


Well this is cheering news. But why hasn't anything been changed on IMDb? State of the movie still says "in script", and I didn't think that it was all up to the viewers to change those boards.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby narnia fan 7 » Apr 15, 2018 5:12 pm

waggawerewolf27 wrote:Well this is cheering news. But why hasn't anything been changed on IMDb? State of the movie still says "in script", and I didn't think that it was all up to the viewers to change those boards.

From what I understand IMDB is user edited, just like Wikipedia. But I could be wrong on that.

Anyway, it seems like IMDB usually don't list a film as being in pre-production until it either has a release date or has begun casting. Silver Chair doesn't have any of those, so I guess makes sense they still have it as being in the "script" phase.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Apr 16, 2018 1:03 am

I could edit some of the board then, if only I knew my password..... :ymblushing:
I've added one frequently asked question, so maybe I could do more. But I think someone edits it first.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby King_Erlian » Apr 16, 2018 2:34 am

FWIW, I was (and am) another defender of the Dawn Treader film. Whilst I thought the green mist wasn't the greatest idea (unlike villains who were people, you couldn't really hate a gas), nevertheless I felt the film captured the sense of wonder at each new discovery as the crew of the Dawn Treader explored hitherto unknown places in the Narnian world; also Will Poulter was undeniably brilliant as Eustace, and his redemption was believable and not at all cringeworthy. I was far less happy with the film of Prince Caspian as it changed the whole nature of the story by upping the ages of the characters to be teenagers/young adults, and turned the story into a Twilight-esque teen thing. It wasn't a bad film in itself but it wasn't Lewis' Prince Caspian.
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Re: Wondering.....

Postby Skilletdude » Apr 16, 2018 10:51 am

King_Erlian wrote:I was far less happy with the film of Prince Caspian as it changed the whole nature of the story by upping the ages of the characters to be teenagers/young adults, and turned the story into a Twilight-esque teen thing. It wasn't a bad film in itself but it wasn't Lewis' Prince Caspian.

Dawn Treader gets so much criticism from some of us because the filmmakers fabricated an entire main plot that was nowhere to be found in the book; the quest for seven swords and defeating the green mist. With Prince Caspian, even with its rearranging of events and sometimes questionable character additions/changes, at least kept to the original story plot of restoring Old Narnia and defeating Miraz and the Telmarines. To me, that distinction is important to mention.

And I will echo the sentiments of others in this thread. It's better NarniaWeb remain a place where people can be honest, respectfully of course, when sharing their views. I think we've been good at that. LibertyHoffman, I think it would be more detrimental to future movie adaptations if the filmmakers saw the fans as easily pleased and not interested in book-faithful films. Who knows how much influence we actually have, but at least the production has the option to visit our boards and get some feedback from the fan base.
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