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Re: The Town Square II

Postby stargazer » Dec 17, 2017 10:17 pm

It's hard to believe Christmas is only a week away! Where has this year gone?

In what is becoming the new normal in my family, I'm visiting relatives in the Pacific Northwest for the holidays, making the proverbial White Christmas less likely (though Seattle did get a surprising amount of snow last December by local standards). It's nice to see my brother and his family again, as well as my mother, who now lives out here. We're planning Christmas dinner to be at his house again this year.
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Re: The Town Square II

Postby Meltintalle » Dec 19, 2017 8:52 am

aileth wrote:Unfortunately my best writing time starts at 9:30 pm--sheer desperation?
Same here. It's a terrible thing when you give yourself an entire day to write and don't accomplish anything until then. 8-}

The nice thing about NaNo is that it's outside pressure to complete the story, because otherwise I end up around two-thirds of the way through and dithering over the ending. This way, I at least HAVE an ending to edit and improve. :)

I don't know where the rest of the year went, gazer, but I certainly agree that December went by fast! There's been a whirl of holiday activities: attending a Christmas cantata, the church program, baking cookies with friends, caroling at the nursing home... With all the stuff going on, I haven't even started a gift for our family gift exchange. :ymblushing:
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Re: The Town Square II

Postby Ryadian » Dec 19, 2017 1:46 pm

My best writing time seems to be when I'm working. ;) In all seriousness, though, it does sometimes seem like taking those minutes... or hours... of staring at your document trying to figure out how to get through your block is about the only way it's going to happen. At this point, I'm just glad that writer's momentum works both ways - once it gets going, it REALLY gets going. It'd just be nice if life, sleep, etc. could take a break when that happens so you can keep it up. ;))

I have such mixed feelings on NaNo. On the one hand, I definitely agree that having a bad draft is better than no draft at all. On the other hand, I have never once finished a NaNo when it was for a project I was already working on, and if it was a new idea, even if I finish, I have yet to come back to it. I know NaNo is supposed to be more of a tool or exercise than a way to get a book written, but it's a bit disheartening to get all the way to the end and not have something really usable. :(

I'd hope for a White Christmas for you, stargazer, but I suspect that snow is less welcome in Seattle than it is in Minnesota. ;)) But I'm glad you get to see your family for Christmas.

I'd like to know who hit the fast forward button sometime in 2014 and hasn't turned it off yet. How is Christmas less than a week away now?? ;)) Good luck getting your gift done on time, Mel! :) (It sounds like a crafting project of some kind? :D ) Every year, I keep telling myself that this is the year when I'll actually formulate a Christmas card list... or that I'll finish all my shopping well in advance... or.... Well, there's always 2018. ;))

I got to babysit my sister's kids last night when their parents went to go see The Last Jedi. My nephew, who just turned 5, at one point mentioned Santa and actually looked out the window to see if he could find him. Which was adorable, but it's just so weird to think that he's now of the age to know who Santa is... and not yet know that Santa isn't real. My family never did Santa, which is an added level of weird. ;))
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Re: The Town Square II

Postby aileth » Dec 20, 2017 10:35 am

Rya wrote:My best writing time seems to be when I'm working. ;) In all seriousness, though, it does sometimes seem like taking those minutes... or hours... of staring at your document trying to figure out how to get through your block is about the only way it's going to happen. At this point, I'm just glad that writer's momentum works both ways - once it gets going, it REALLY gets going. It'd just be nice if life, sleep, etc. could take a break when that happens so you can keep it up. ;))

That would be last night--2300 words. I've been writing for 49 straight days now, though production rate dropped dramatically after Nov 30. Sometimes it's only 50 words a day, but I'm bound and determined to finish off this pesky (short) story I'm working on. I'm the same--when I'm not working I don't have enough structure and routine to make myself write. It's maddening!

I have such mixed feelings on NaNo. On the one hand, I definitely agree that having a bad draft is better than no draft at all. On the other hand, I have never once finished a NaNo when it was for a project I was already working on, and if it was a new idea, even if I finish, I have yet to come back to it. I know NaNo is supposed to be more of a tool or exercise than a way to get a book written, but it's a bit disheartening to get all the way to the end and not have something really usable. :(

Uh-huh. In spite of their advice to turn off the inner editor, and all that, it doesn't seem to work for me. So I end up with a fairly readable first draft. Maybe because I've had it in my head for years, sometimes, and have worked out most of the plot ahead of time. Of course, there's always a bit of tidying up necessary, but it's only rarely that I have large chunks to redo. Could be that it's all trash, and I just don't recognize it, but the few people who have read them seem to enjoy them (or else are just really kind :-\ )

My first book (not a NaNo) could use a bit of help structurally. Don't know when (or if) I'll ever get around to fixing it up. Before I publish, hopefully (and that would be about 2049, most likely).

Merry Christmas, all! We have the white stuff in moderation, and the sun has come out for the first time in days. Lovely!
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Re: The Town Square II

Postby Meltintalle » Dec 21, 2017 8:44 am

Rya wrote:I have such mixed feelings on NaNo. On the one hand, I definitely agree that having a bad draft is better than no draft at all. On the other hand, I have never once finished a NaNo when it was for a project I was already working on, and if it was a new idea, even if I finish, I have yet to come back to it. I know NaNo is supposed to be more of a tool or exercise than a way to get a book written, but it's a bit disheartening to get all the way to the end and not have something really usable. :(
I totally agree that never going back to a story may feel like it's unusable... but for me, since I tend to write in a very linear fashion, I have LOTS of practice with beginnings. (I even like to think some of them are very good. ;)) ) But since I don't always go through to the end, I lack practice in that area. Thus, writing endings is the only way to improve that point and if I have a bunch of bad endings before I actually write a good one, well, that's all part of the learning process.

aileth wrote:So I end up with a fairly readable first draft. Maybe because I've had it in my head for years, sometimes, and have worked out most of the plot ahead of time. Of course, there's always a bit of tidying up necessary, but it's only rarely that I have large chunks to redo. Could be that it's all trash, and I just don't recognize it, but the few people who have read them seem to enjoy them (or else are just really kind :-\ )
I read through a bunch of the stories on your blog a little while ago and really enjoyed them. You have such a lovely, relaxed, storytelling voice. (Alas, even though I know I should have commented on each of the stories individually, I was too interested in reading the next one to stop. :ymblushing: )

Rya wrote: Good luck getting your gift done on time, Mel! :) (It sounds like a crafting project of some kind? :D )
It usually is, yes. ;)) I think this year it's going to be a cloak since the recipient has been complaining his last one is now more of a cape... but I really ought to get on that sewing it bit.
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Re: The Town Square II

Postby Ryadian » Dec 21, 2017 11:09 am

aileth wrote:That would be last night--2300 words. I've been writing for 49 straight days now, though production rate dropped dramatically after Nov 30. Sometimes it's only 50 words a day, but I'm bound and determined to finish off this pesky (short) story I'm working on. I'm the same--when I'm not working I don't have enough structure and routine to make myself write. It's maddening!


You can do it!! :-bd (I wanted pom-poms, but that's close enough. : ) 50 words a day is nothing to sneeze at, and 2,300 in a night is awesome!! How close are you to the end, do you think?

aileth wrote:Uh-huh. In spite of their advice to turn off the inner editor, and all that, it doesn't seem to work for me. So I end up with a fairly readable first draft. Maybe because I've had it in my head for years, sometimes, and have worked out most of the plot ahead of time.


Lucky! :P Granted, I have a pretty critical inner editor, but even when i'm not doing NaNo, I never consider my first drafts to be readable. ;)) I've heard that C.S. Lewis was pretty good at just writing a good first draft, so you're in good company, it seems. ;)

Meltintalle wrote:I totally agree that never going back to a story may feel like it's unusable... but for me, since I tend to write in a very linear fashion, I have LOTS of practice with beginnings. (I even like to think some of them are very good. ;)) ) But since I don't always go through to the end, I lack practice in that area. Thus, writing endings is the only way to improve that point and if I have a bunch of bad endings before I actually write a good one, well, that's all part of the learning process.


I used to write wherever I felt like it, then I started forcing myself to do it linearly... and now I'm going back to writing whatever I want to. ;)) I hate beginning and I still do, despite all the practice I've gotten. Plus, I feel like once I've gotten everything established, I quickly run out of ideas for how to get from point A to point B. Sometimes, I don't even know what Point B is. :|

Rya wrote: Good luck getting your gift done on time, Mel! :) (It sounds like a crafting project of some kind? :D )
It usually is, yes. ;)) I think this year it's going to be a cloak since the recipient has been complaining his last one is now more of a cape... but I really ought to get on that sewing it bit.[/quote]

I'm a bit jealous of your recipient now. ;) Well, you still have... 4 days?! *Checks calendar to make sure no one has been cutting days out*

Things have been very slow at work lately. I work in mortgage, so slowdowns during the winter are expected, but this is my third winter here and it's the most dead I've ever seen. ;)) We're not worried about job security, though, because I know they'll need us come summer. ;) My boss is trying to take advantage of the slow times in order to take care of some quality control and retraining.... HALLELUJAH. (My job comes after the initial pass by my co-workers, so I'm directly affected by mistakes.
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But I am also grateful for the opportunity to get a little bit of non-work stuff done at my desk when we're dead. ;)) I keep a notebook nearby to jot down ideas I have when I have nothing else to do. One of my characters has been getting a lot of attention lately for that reason....
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