Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

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Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby wolfloversk » Jan 04, 2013 2:15 pm

Yay new forum! So as a fan of both series I was wondering if anyone else has read both and if like me when they read one they think of the other. :P Has anyone else noticed any similarities or parallels? Differences? What books do you think are most similar and different to each other? What conclusions can you draw from any similarities and differences?

-Perhaps the most obvious is the Christian allegories (edit: symbolism is probably a better word or themes maybe? :P /edit ) that run through both, also the traveling to another world theme is relevant to all the books save The Horse and his Boy (all though I guess Shasta did more or less travel into Narnia :P ) and That Hideous Strength. But something else I noticed is neither series keeps the same main character throughout... I wonder do you think this suggests something about Lewis' writing style or imagination? :-\
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Re: Similarities between the CoN and the Space Trilogy

Postby AstroWolfD » Jan 04, 2013 2:21 pm

*wanders in briefly to say that he is very much looking forward to discovering said similarities and parallels when he tackles the Space Trilogy ;) . I will be heading back here with my findings :) .
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Re: Similarities between the CoN and the Space Trilogy

Postby coracle » Jan 04, 2013 2:33 pm

wolfloversk wrote:Yay new forum! So as a fan of both series I was wondering if anyone else has read both and if like me when they read one they think of the other. :P Has anyone else noticed any similarities or parallels?

-Perhaps the most obvious is the Christian allegories that run through both..


Firstly, there are no allegories in either series.
There are certainly aspects of both that will remind Christians of their faith, the Bible, and their lives as Christians. I see them as illustrations, Jack Lewis saw the Narnia books as supposals. (you can find lots more about this so I won't go on at length) But they are not allegories.

Secondly, I have a few pencil markings in the margins of my books, noting parallels between events , choices, decisions, personal growth etc, in the two sets :)

The Space trilogy was written a lot earlier than Narnia, and it was written for adults. At that stage Jack had no plan to write for children, and he had not yet had the experience of young evacuees in his home. Since he wrote both series with the same world view, the same beliefs etc, it is not a big surprise that the same themes come up, expressed differently.

I also like that in neither book series is there any Christian preaching, or even anyone going to church. That Hideous Strength has a few references to religion but nothing major. Even when back in England, nobody in the Narnia series talks about God.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby wolfloversk » Jan 04, 2013 2:38 pm

:P I look forward to your thoughts Astro ;)

*edits her opening post and expands her question :P

Also, I was wondering if the differences in the Christian allegories or the plot may suggest how Lewis' faith changed as a whole? Too me Aslan seems much more directly involved in Narnia than Maleldil did in the Space Trilogy (he seemed to work more through the Oyéresu whereas Aslan actually showed up in Narnia and physically intervened). Since Narnia was written later do you think this suggests anything about how his faith may have grown or changed, or were the differences due to the differences in the age of the audience they were intended for, or were they purely creative?

*edit simulpost with coracle...

Yeah I actually have read that about allegory/supposal... I was just being careless with my wording :P Did he ever make the same correction with the Space Trilogy though? I don't doubt it, I'm just curious... never ran into one :P
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby coracle » Jan 04, 2013 3:55 pm

I don't recall his ever explaining it to adults - perhaps because that series was viewed differently and people weren't seeking for symbols.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby Varnafinde » Jul 11, 2013 2:55 pm

The section of the Space Trilogy that reminds me most of Narnia, is the part of Out of the Silent Planet where Ransom stays with the Hrossa. From the description, I think they must look a lot like otters - and they live by the river and go hunting and fishing there.

They are animals, not humans - but they are intelligent, sentient beings, and he stays with them long enough to learn a fair amount of their language.

He also goes hunting with them. He even finds that they have "cattle" - some animal that they keep and which gives them milk, which they make cheese from.

And he finds that they have a concept of life after death - that's when they go back to Maleldil, who created them. An interesting detail is that they know in advance when they will be called back - although it's possible they may get killed on a hunt before the appointed date.

The parallell to the Talking Beasts of Narnia is clear, although there are also differences between the two groups. The Narnians know no more about the timing of their death than we do in our world.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby King_Erlian » Jul 12, 2013 2:08 am

Must admit, I've read the Space Trilogy (or rather, the first two books of it) only once, and that was when I was about 10, nearly 40 years ago; I decided to tackle them because I'd enjoyed Narnia so much, but I really hated them at the time, because they were nothing like what I considered to be "real" science-fiction. For one thing, they had no real science in them, unlike, say, Isaac Asimov's books. So I suppose it's only fair that I give them another chance, as an adult.

I remember reading something about there having been a wager of some kind between Lewis and Tolkien; they flipped a coin and decided that Lewis would write about "space travel" and Tolkien about "time travel". At least Lewis came up with some legitimate space travel stories. Tolkien's "time travel" attempt appeared to have been merely a "wrapper" in which two characters from the Middle Ages found themselves in his already-created Middle Earth. That really seemed like cheating to me.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby Dinode » Jul 12, 2013 8:23 pm

I've read both series too, though I hadn't known the order they were written in. One difference between them that I noticed is that while the individual stories don't feel like the same world or universe at all, Narnia feels like a complete whole, even when you see different places and times.

I like wolfloversk's point about how involved Maleldil and Aslan are. At the same time though, Aslan didn't always come himself, during long stretches of peace he was elsewhere and the kings took care of things. In the second book it talks about how the humans (or at least humanoids) are going to supplant the Oyorsas, essentially becoming kings of the world, so I guess that is a connection.

On the subject of Perelandra, in that story it talks about how because Maleldil the younger came to Earth as a human all future Hnau will be in that shape, while in Narnia one of the first things that happens after Aslan's sacrifice is for the mice who cut him loose to become talking mice.

Finally, in That Hideous Strength Merlin talks about how it would be just to kill the woman who's name I forget because she hasn't had the prophesied child yet, and no one cares that much because his time had a different morality. For that matter, there is his desire to use Druid magic that is said to be okay then but not okay now. In Narnia right stays right at all times.

I like Out of the Silent Planet best, probably for the same reasons it is most like Narnia, an exotic world with it's own culture.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby Eustace » Jul 14, 2013 5:14 pm

Maybe I should not be considered the best authority because I have only read of the Space Trilogy Perelandra, but I think the biggest difference may be the genres of the books. The Space Trilogy is definitely science fiction while Narnia is fantasy.


But, the similarities between the series show up in the fact that it is a ''what if'' scenario. The Chronicles of Narnia was ''what if'' God worked in a different way in a different world under different rules. Perelandra was ''what if'' Satan was stopped before he could get Eve to get the fruit of the tree.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby aileth » Jul 11, 2014 11:15 am

The similarity that most obtruded itself on my notice was the detailed description of the scenery, at least in the first two books of the trilogy. Lewis gives a really vivid picture of the flora and fauna as well as the landscape. Then I was reading SC again and it struck me that he was using the same sort of technique to show the reader the Underworld. In fewer words, of course; more suited to a younger audience.

It's true of all the CoN, really. Thinks of VDT and all the different islands, or the mer-people's kingdom. Then there's Aslan's country, and just the whole land of Narnia.

My appreciation for the CoN has been enriched by reading the Trilogy; I find I'm more alert to small elements that escaped me previously. But I would never have even touched the trilogy if I hadn't loved the Chronicles so well.
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Re: Comparing The Chronicles of Narnia and The Space Trilogy

Postby the4signs[repeat] » Nov 14, 2017 5:28 pm

I'd have to say for me the biggest similarity is in some of the characters in That Hideous Strength. I didn't have much time or sympathy for Mark Studdock until I realized he is basically a grown up Eustace (if he hadn't been to Narnia). Both characters suffer from the culture/character ailments Lewis described in his essays Men Without Chests and The Inner Ring. Camilla and Arthur Denniston don't play a huge roll in the book, but I think they are much like the Pevensies at their best. They are good people who are scared, but they believe, and they are willing to be brave.

Also the structure of some of the stories have similarities. The evil is powerful (LWW, PC, LB) but then all collapses under its own weight when the good and right comes crashing in. Compare the dominion of the Telmarines in PC and then Aslan's romp and the trees waking up and Bacchus' destruction of the bridge to the N.I.C.E takeover and Merlin coming and the decent of the Oyarses and Edgestow being demolished.
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