Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Valiant » Dec 17, 2010 2:58 pm

AnnasStar2010, Of course! How can we forget that one! It connects Aslan with the reader in an even more intimate way!

i always wondered how the Pevensies did find him in our world. All of them besides Susan obviously did. :)
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Lilygloves » Dec 19, 2010 10:59 pm

I also love the scene with Puddleglum. Even if there is no God, I stand by Him. And if my faith is silly, it doesn't hurt me. It makes me happier than if I had no faith in a loving God. And I love the part where Aslan reveals himself to Shasta. It shows how God always has a perfect plan for us even if we don't see it. Shasta's life was perfectly orchestrated to work for the best. I get chills when I read that part.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby moo25 » Dec 27, 2010 7:39 am

I've always loved the scene where Puddleglum stands up to the Lady of the Green Kirtle. It's always identified with me the most, especially when I was struggling with my faith. I agree with him in that even if there is no God I still live my life as if there is, because a world without Him is so much bleaker.
There are so many other beautiful moments in the series, and I seem to find more of them every time I read them. All of the ones mentioned here are wonderful :)
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Queen Emmie » Dec 27, 2010 9:27 am

Hmm.... there are so many wonderful parallels! I'd have to say one of my favorites is what you mentioned, Valiant-- the scene with Puddleglum and the LotGK. So powerful!!

I also love the "Courage, dear heart" scene and am disappointed that it's not in the movie. That line has come to me several times when I felt like life was so dark and scary.... God is with us, even in the dark, and He will lead us out.

Eustace's redemption is wonderful too.

OH! And in the movie when Aslan says "It is finished". I don't remember if that's in the book or not, as it's been a while since I read it.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby RonPrice » Dec 27, 2010 5:06 pm

"C.S. Lewis was an adult convert to Christianity," as the online encyclopedia Wikipedia notes, "and had previously authored some works on Christian apologetics and fiction with Christian themes. However, he did not originally set out to incorporate Christian theological concepts into his Narnia stories; it is something that occurred as he wrote them." As Wikipedia notes in quoting C.S. Lewis's words from his work Of Other Worlds:

"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument, then collected information about child psychology and decided what age group I’d write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn’t write in that way. It all began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord."

I find these words of C.S. Lewis are useful to me as a writer. Like C.S. Lewis, I have a religious commitment---to the Baha'i Faith. I, too, embody my beliefs in my writing. My beliefs "push themselves into my writing," as C.S. writes, "of their own accord." To quote yet again from Wikpedia: "Lewis was an expert on the subject of allegory and the author of The Allegory of Love. He maintained that his books were not allegory, and preferred to call the Christian aspects of them "suppositional". This indicates Lewis' view of Narnia as a fictional parallel universe. As Lewis wrote in a letter to a Mrs Hook in December 1958:

If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity in the same way in which Giant Despair [a character in The Pilgrim's Progress] represents despair, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality, however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, 'What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia, and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Andrew » Mar 15, 2011 7:32 am

I like the concept of "deeper magic from before the dawn of time." What is it that binds Aslan to its laws, what force is so powerful even he cannot overcome it?
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Ithilwen » Mar 16, 2011 4:57 am

^^ I think that the deep magic was something the Emperor Over the Sea put into place. He was Aslan's father, after all. ;)


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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Tesseract » Mar 16, 2011 11:46 am

Ithilwen wrote:^^ I think that the deep magic was something the Emperor Over the Sea put into place. He was Aslan's father, after all. ;)

That would mean that Aslan is not omnipotent, and less powerful than the Emperor Over the Sea. Is that the case?

God was Jesus's father, but Christians don't view one as being more powerful than the other.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Ithilwen » Mar 17, 2011 2:07 am

^^ I could be wrong about this, but as far as I know, the Christians I've met believed God was more powerful than Jesus. At least, during the temporary time Jesus was on Earth... Not 100% sure though.


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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby fledge1 » Mar 17, 2011 2:36 pm

WOW! I have LOTS. Eustace being turned back into a human was great. I think my favorite one was at the end of Voyage. When Lucy and Aslan were talking......
“It isnt Narnia, you know,” sobbed Lucy. “It’s you. WE shant meet you there. And how can we live, never meeting you?”
“But you shall meet me, dear one,” said Aslan.
“Are-are you there too, Sir?” Edmund
“I am” said Aslan. “But there I have another name. YOu must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there.

Gives me chills everytime...
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Tesseract » Mar 17, 2011 8:28 pm

Ithilwen wrote: but as far as I know, the Christians I've met believed God was more powerful than Jesus.


As far as I know, Christians view Jesus and God as part of the "trinity", which is three persons in one divine Being. Since Christianity is a monogamous religion, and Jesus and God are both referred to as the divine being, I don't see how one could be more powerful than the other.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Ithilwen » Mar 17, 2011 11:37 pm

Tesseract wrote:
Ithilwen wrote: but as far as I know, the Christians I've met believed God was more powerful than Jesus.


As far as I know, Christians view Jesus and God as part of the "trinity", which is three persons in one divine Being. Since Christianity is a monogamous religion, and Jesus and God are both referred to as the divine being, I don't see how one could be more powerful than the other.


Yes, they are three seperate parts of one whole being. But keep in mind that Jesus was taking a temporary human form while he was on earth, and even admitted that during that time, he did not know as much as the Father did. Even though there is a one-ness among the Three, there is also a seperation. And the fact that he was in a temporary human form also caused a bit of difference in the situation.


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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby waggawerewolf27 » Mar 18, 2011 1:40 am

St Patrick, whose day is famously March 17th, that is to say yesterday according to Aussie time, famously explained the Holy Trinity as something like the Irish shamrock. That is to say, like a leaf with three lobes. He held up a shamrock, with its tripartite leaf formation to explain how the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost still remained the same person.

But then the Apostle's creed, the Nicene creed and the Athanasian Creed also address this point. I can also see this threefold persona as somewhat similar to the different 'hats' people wear throughout life. For example, I go to work and as such am an agent like the Holy Ghost, so long as I do my work well. But I am also a parent and the child of someone else. Just as we have God the Father and God the Son.

Can anyone think of a better explanation of the Trinity?

Tesseract wrote:Since Christianity is a monogamous religion, and Jesus and God are both referred to as the divine being, I don't see how one could be more powerful than the other.


I know what you are trying to say, but I think the word you meant was monotheistic not monogamous. Mono is an English prefix derived from the Greek which means 'single'. 'Gamous' is the suffix used in relationship with marriage and women in particular, eg Polygamy and Bigamy, meaning many wives and two wives. Theism, by contrast, is to do with God and belief.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Tesseract » Mar 18, 2011 6:34 am

Whoops! Yes, you are right, waggawerewolf27, I meant to say monotheistic. I mistyped. :ymblushing:
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Narnia_Fan12 » Mar 18, 2011 9:47 pm

Yes, they are three seperate parts of one whole being. But keep in mind that Jesus was taking a temporary human form while he was on earth, and even admitted that during that time, he did not know as much as the Father did. Even though there is a one-ness among the Three, there is also a seperation. And the fact that he was in a temporary human form also caused a bit of difference in the situation.


No- Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all one. Jesus knew all. Jesus /did/ take a human form on earth, but that didn't affect his knowledge of all things past, present, and future. If it had, how would he know that Judas was going to turn him in before the fact?

In this old movie I watched, about St. Joseph of Cupertino (I think), Joseph used "One blanket, three folds" to explain the trinity.

My favorite Christian message from Narnia... woah, there are many. There are four in particular that I like.

1). The Magician's Nephew: the creation of Narnia. It parallels our world's creation somewhat- and every time I read how Lewis described it--- it is really, really moving to me.

2). The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe: Aslan's sacrifice and resurrection. 'Nuff said.

3). The Voyage of the Dawn Treader- Aslan's great reveal: Aslan is Jesus. This is one of my favorite scenes in the series.

4). the Last Battle: The whole book. It's so... entrancing, and scary. I can't really describe it at all.
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Re: Favorite Christian message from Narnia?

Postby Graymouser » Mar 19, 2011 12:07 am

I was once told by a Christadelphian that the theology of Narnia was Arian, rather than orthodox Christian trinitarianism (even though Lewis was of course an orthodox Christian.)

Aslan is clearly subordinate to the Emperor-Over-The-Sea, Aslan is the Creator of Narnia, and the Spirit emanates from him in the form of his breath.

The letter of Auxentius,[8] a 4th-century Arian bishop of Milan, regarding the missionary Ulfilas, gives the clearest picture of Arian beliefs on the nature of the Trinity: God the Father ("unbegotten"), always existing, was separate from the lesser Jesus Christ ("only-begotten"), born before time began and creator of the world. The Father, working through the Son, created the Holy Spirit, who was subservient to the Son as the Son was to the Father. The Father was seen as "the only true God". First Corinthians 8:5-8:6 was cited as proof text.


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